we have an army, we have the navy, but economy. we are in a very different situation than the founders ever were or ever could have imagined. but we still have those inclination's. are we involved in foreign policy to protect our interests, are we involved in policy to project ideologies into the world? >> host: and of course it is a very different time in america's place in the world pity we are not an indispensable nation we are very much at threat 25 years after the creation and the constitution not far from here where we are taking the interview this is a country very much at risk. how do the people that you write about contemporary authors, how do they translate or try to translate what the frankenstein sent to contemporary debates about foreign policy, iraq, afghanistan? >> guest: a lot of them quote from washington's farewell address and saying you shouldn't be involved in the alliance's. there tends to be a very nativist threat going forward through those book. >> host: tell us more about that what you mean by nativist? >>